Catacomb, Tomb & Xlabs gameplay bugs? Here is the fix at the moment! (Page 1 of 3)

Hey set@mon!

We appreciate your help, thank you. The reason xlab bugs at start is that the cinematic script is running on the background first. Hence the wait. I will fix this in the following days, I am working alphaphetically one map at a time (have had too much to fix and too little time).

I already fixed the Catacomb.

So many things have been fixed and affected. Soon when we get the 0.9.4 we can start over with the maps. Tons of real script bugs has been fixed. But there has also been happening weird script errors for a reason we discovered recently, so many "mystical" will dissapear too. That was because of player spawning. The next version will be many times more stable and safer for what comes to maps.

I can confirm you that I have fixed boss1. I have fixed every other map with similar issues aswell. All the major map bugs are fixed that happens in normal conditions. It is possible that I have missed a bug or two that happen in very special conditions or I have simply missed. Every bug that I've noticed, either by playing or reading throught the script or noticed in forum or submitted to me by someone is fixed.

I also have fixed some smaller wierd/bad/bugged bot actions here and there, but this was not the priority at this point. In example bad animations, missing guns etc.

There will not be any camera cinematics in the mod. However all the ingame actions that was not viewed with camera will be there. Such as AI's talking to each other. Like fixing the generator in norway, or fixing the vent leak in dam or disarming the dynamite. In some cases I have restored bits from cam cinematics to go without cam. For example dam will still have that conversation between the trucker and the guard about cheese (until they spot player). And kessler/deathshead will say a few lines. Nothing that will interrupt or stop the players from moving.

Yes indeed, cinematics are exactly the same as ingame actions normally, except instead of being able to play you see it kinda like from spectators view. The intro video is actually pretty much the only real video in the whole game (I cannot remember if ending credits played video or such).

Yes it would be possible. Just the point is that it becomes very boring to wait after couple times. Also it is a lot of work to do. We start the map in the same moment it would start in SP after playing the camera or pressing ESC. I don't think we need videos.

Yes it is really impressive and cool. But to achieve this, would take us back to the point it all started. I am not the one who is making the decisions or making the code changes. So my role in this conversation is useless now. Also pretty much all the cinematic scripts has been removed.

there are several reasons why I started to remove the cutscenes

1) A map in a coop game is played many times, the cutscenes are waste of time after a while, people just want to play
2) cutscenes are very difficult to handle for players that join late, because they miss a part of it, so its better in my opinion to leave them out
3) the cutscenes code had a lot of bugs in it, it was easier to just strip it out

fyi. I converted the dam cine with cheese to work as regular in game action. So if you sneak carefully you can hear that conversation. But if you show up or make a noise they shoot you. ;-)

Hi again! I edited my first message with the addition of Tomb (Boss1) fix for 0.9.3. release. Our good friend {SSF}Sage confirmed that this bugs are already fixed in next release. Yay!

I congratulate your efforts Sage. Sure the cameras will not be there if we can see and move while playing cinematics, it is better and realistic. I prefer it.

For the possible cinematics, I will fastly play the original campaign from beginning and let you know one by one with pictures. You can start fixing the cinematics which you already know. Such as AI's talking to each other. Like fixing the generator in norway, or fixing the vent leak in dam or disarming the dynamite, also the german soldier who is out of ammo and escaping from 2 zombies behind the closed gate in Catacomb etc.(The last one is already working I watch)

I also enabled the intro cinematic of wizard and Heinrich from the Wolfconfig.coop.cfg file. It is better for me and can bypass with a mouse click. I enabled it because my all partners havent played Rtcw before and doesnt know the main subject of the game. Also they all wants to see who is Heinrich and why we sended to destroy him. They watched and loved intro We are all old tactical players. (I mean team oriented and try to do real cooperation while playing. We prefer hard and nightmare skills to force every member to make cooperation. It is better and realistic.)

But at the other hand, if not any possiblity for the cinematics like first one making conversation of an agent with president and escape1 when the doctor interrogate the agent, there is nothing to do for it. It can be remain disabled. I will let you know all cinematics from the game asap.

this one was disabled by default because it didnt work on widescreen setups. But this is fixed in next release !

maybe this week but most likely next week

Yes Sage, I saw and listened the Dam cinematic already. It was excellent. So, please go on and try to fix similar cinematics too. As possible as, I am on the behalf of original campaign experience.  Dont understand me wrong, but I want to give an example. The mod of Doom 3 which is called as Opencoop. It is very successfull mod. I want this RtcwCoop mod to be successfull too. Because Rtcw and your efforts deserve.

Sage also I want to ask you a question. May be it is stupid one but I am interested. Can you re add first interrogation scene to escape1 map with a trigger when you reach the doctors rooms small window? Can we see the interrogation without detected from this window( Here is the picture where I mean) I only want to learn possibility. But if possible it is absolutely perfect, wonderful, legendary

It is nice that we thought same things. But we dont need nazi soldiers before the doctor I think. The path is very short and we reach doctor silently without any noise and can watch the scene. If players dont prefer to watch, they can engage and interrogation will stop also kill doctor with the soldier who is sended by the doctor for us in original campaign. Isnt it?

Any other possibility can be the soldiers before the doctor can be remain but their face have to be turn back and we can kill them with knife silently. Maybe you can do this scene after we reach to this window.

Also I put 2 example pictures that I made with photoshop to show you what I exactly mean. If we want soldier at downstairs before the doctor at the corridor of cells, the soldier can patrol at there. We can kill him from behind silently and can trigger interrogation at upstairs. First picture shows leaning from behind of soldier. 2nd one as you see to prepare to kill with knife. What is your considerations?

An extra information that I have just tried to make some noise with gun at downstairs and the doctor doesnt care of it. He cant hear anything But this is not realistic. May be the killing soldiers silently before doctor is more realistic. Hope you think same as me!